– Rx Ryan/John Cleese as Russian firing squad leader in Monty Python’s ‘Cycling Tour’ episode
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– Rx Ryan/John Cleese as Russian firing squad leader in Monty Python’s ‘Cycling Tour’ episode
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“…I have found strength where one does not look for it:
in simple, mild, and pleasant people, without the least
desire to rule—and, conversely, the desire to rule has
often appeared to me a sign of inward weakness: they fear
their own slave soul and shroud it in a royal cloak…”
– Friedrich Nietzsche
“Let’s play…Master and Servant…” – Depeche Mode
“Whatever happened to Depeche Mode?” – Puppy
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“Rather than becoming one with God, the Black Brother considers his ego to be god. According to Crowley, the Black Brother slowly disintegrates, while preying on others for his own self-aggrandisement.”
– Wikipedia, ‘Thelema’
The systematic attack of spirituality and belief by fervent Atheists seems to take place in much the same way that Albert Einstein noted when he said that most fervent Atheists are simply intellectuals and quasi-intellectuals rebelling against forced belief with active disbelief. As if because one thing was wrong (as forced belief is) it somehow makes the equal and opposite reaction correct. To force one to believe in any form of Spirituality is incorrect, but to force one to disbelieve in any idea of possible Spirituality is incorrect, arrogant, and just plain stupid.
“During the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries…The term ‘atheist’ was an insult. Nobody would have dreamed of calling himself an atheist.” – Karen Armstrong
As to historical injustices performed in the name of Religion versus those performed in the name of Atheism, the fact that Atheism has only been widely ALLOWED to be an even POSSIBLE belief system explicitly disavowing the existence of anything at all “Divine” for less than 300 years makes the comparison irrelevant, although the Pol Pot’s and Stalin’s of the world have certainly done their best to make up for lost time.
– Puppy >.< Yip!
“traffic in the half-baked nihilism of a stoned high school student who has just discovered Nietzsche and Nine Inch Nails” – Laura Miller on Palahniuk
Puppy: I think that’s not accurate. “Half-baked” and “stoned” imply use of drugs, ostensibly to amplify creativity, and I see none of that in Palahniuk’s ‘Fight Club’. They also imply that the writer in question is not fully in control/command of their writings, which is doing a dis-service to every half-baked work ever made, by a high school student, college student, professional writer, or anyone with half a brain that is literate. Invoking Nietzsche and NIN, besides bringing up two vastly different talent levels, degrades the at-least-well-meaning nature of those who are fascinated by them and write inferior works in an attempt to live up to them. Palahniuk is different. Here is a grown man, clean and sober, intentionally writing high-school level chaotically uneven I-guess-you-could-call-them-“philosophical” rants about vastly different subjects and somehow attempting to link them, and he is working at the HEIGHT of his talent level. Sad, really.
“Until you can create something that captivates people, I’d invite you to just shut up.
It’s easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It’s a lot more difficult to perform one.” – Chuck Palahniuk
Puppy: Let’s analyze this.
“Until you can create something that captivates people”.
Puppy: The use of the word “Until” states that IF the conditions FOLLOWING the word are reached, THEN the person quoted is in fact giving their approval for the action being criticized to be TAKEN, in fact with their blessing since no other caveats are made.
So, IF “you” = anyone that wants to blast Palahniuk’s “creations”, and I think it does, since he expands to a broad scope later in the quote…
It follows that if anyone in the world “can create something that captivates people”, they thereby have Chuck Palahniuk’s blessing to trash Chuck Palahniuk’s work, if they so choose.
Semantically speaking, anyone “can” create something that captivates people…just because they haven’t DONE it doesn’t mean they CAN’T…but let’s assume he made a semantic mistake intentionally or was just really peeved.
something = anything
people = more than 1 person
IF anyone creates anything that captivates more than one person, THEN they can trash his work, by his own admission.
So, Justin Bieber has every right to criticize ‘Fight Club’.
And everyone that put a video on YouTube that got 2 or more “Likes”.
“I’d invite you to just shut up” – Well isn’t that grown-up of him. NYAH NYAH!
“It’s easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It’s a lot more difficult to perform one.”
So Chuck you’re saying her criticism has destroyed your works?
I think “act” is the definitive word here, as Chuck’s “performance” on ‘Fight Club’ is pandering to the mindset mentioned by the critic. Nothing more. That some other people buy into such transparent horsesh1t is a testimony to the fall of the novel as a means of great expression.
“It is easier to destroy than to create”.
Also, 1+1 = 2
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“On a large enough time line, the survival rate for everyone will drop to zero.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 2″
Meaningless drivel. Nihilistic dogsh1t. Everything dies…so what?
What’s your point? We live, then we die. To believe this is the whole of life is to ignore all the stuff, you know, BETWEEN those two points. And since life is merely a succession of moment after moment, birth and death are two moments. There are billions of others. To focus ENTIRELY on these two is a bullsh1t escape from responsibility, morality, everything really.
“This was freedom. Losing all hope was freedom.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 2
Actually, it’s called depression. Unless you’re HAPPY to lose all hope…then you’re a moron, since there’s always hope, and a logical analysis by a non-zombie will easily reveal this.
“This is your life, and it’s ending one minute at a time.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 3″
Or perhaps this is the first chapter in a greater existence, and it’s beginning one minute at a time. How the hell do YOU know? And wouldn’t it be one second at a time, anyway?
“If I could wake up in a different place, at a different time, could I wake up as a different person?” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 3
Who cares? By your own previous BS philosophy, EVERYONE is just living to die. So why philosophize further? You’re done, man.
“One minute was enough, Tyler said, a person had to work hard for it,
but a minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the
most you could ever expect from perfection.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 3
Since human beings are inherently all imperfect, how do you know exactly what perfection is? I mean, you took out a stopwatch and timed perfection? Are you high?
“And I wasn’t the only slave to my nesting instinct. The people I know
who used to sit in the bathroom with pornography, now they sit in
the bathroom with their IKEA furniture catalogue.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 5
You need to get out more. And update your book to the age of technology…what’s a “catalogue”?
“You buy furniture. You tell yourself, this is the last sofa I will
ever need in my life. Buy the sofa, then for a couple years you’re
satisfied that no matter what goes wrong, at least you’ve got your
sofa issue handled. Then the right set of dishes. Then the perfect
bed. The drapes. The rug. Then you’re trapped in your lovely nest,
and the things you used to own, now they own you.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 5
Who cares? You live, you die, right? It’s a little late to turn Tibetan, and you don’t even do it very eloquently.
“If you don’t know what you want,” the doorman said, “you end up
with a lot you don’t.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 5
If at first you don’t succeed, keep on suckin’ til you do succeed.
“After a night in fight club, everything in the real world gets the
volume turned down. Nothing can piss you off. Your word is law, and
if other people break that law or question you, even that doesn’t piss
you off.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 6
If other people can break your law without causing any reaction or penalty, how is your word law? I mean, are you totally living inside
your head at this point?
“It used to be enough that when I came home angry and knowing that
my life wasn’t toeing my five-year plan, I could clean my condominium
or detail my car. Someday I’d be dead without a scar and there
would be a really nice condo and car.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 6
Then do something meaningful and important instead of beating the
fck out of other guys.
“Maybe self-improvement isn’t the answer…. Maybe self-destruction
is the answer.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 6
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHA…ummm…sure, go ahead. I mean,
WAIT! NO, don’t! PLEASE! Errrr…nah, go ahead.
“The gyms you go to are crowded with guys trying to look like men, as
if being a man means looking the way a sculptor or an art director says.”
– Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 6
YEAH! It means beating each other up and fcking women and treating them like sh1t while spouting nihilistic cliches.
4/13/16: “Are you kidding me? I mean I could do all that macho stuff
if I wanted to, but it wouldn’t make me any more of a man.
Do I detect a hint of raised consciousness?
Yeah. I mean, a real guy doesn’t have to jump on sharks and dodge
poison darts just to prove he’s a guy.
A real guy just has to score heavy with the babes, that’s all.”
“‘It’s only after you’ve lost everything,’ Tyler says, ‘that you’re
free to do anything.'” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 8
Hey, didn’t you steal that from Janis Joplin?
“I wanted to burn the Louvre. I’d do the Elgin Marbles with a sledgehammer and wipe my @ss with the Mona Lisa. This is my world, now. This is my world, my world, and those ancient people are dead.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 16
Yeah, but you’re a fcken moron.
“We wanted to blast the world free of history…. picture yourself
planting radishes and seed potatoes on the fifteenth green of a
forgotten golf course. You’ll hunt elk through the damp canyon
forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center, and dig clams next
to the skeleton of the Space Needle leaning at a forty-five degree
angle. We’ll paint the skyscrapers with huge totem faces and goblin tikis, and every evening what’s left of mankind will retreat to empty
zoos and lock itself in cages as protection against the bears and big
cats and wolves that pace and watch us from outside the cage bars at night.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 16
Was this MEANT for consumption by quasi-intellectual teens?
Sort of a nihilistic, macho-poetry ‘Twilight’?
“‘Recycling and speed limits are bullsh1t’, Tyler said. ‘They’re
like someone who quits smoking on his deathbed.'” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 16
Is that a sh1tty metaphor or a sh1tty simile? I forget the “like”
or “as” rule.
“‘Imagine,’ Tyler said, ‘stalking elk past department store windows
and stinking racks of beautiful rotting dresses and tuxedos on
hangers; you’ll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest
of your life, and you’ll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap
the Sears Tower. Jack and the beanstalk, you’ll climb up through the dripping forest canopy and the air will be so clean you’ll see tiny figures pounding corn and laying strips of venison to dry in the empty
car pool lane of an abandoned superhighway stretching
eight-lanes-wide and August-hot for a thousand miles.'” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 16
John Lennon you ain’t.
“You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same
decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all part of
the same compost pile.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 17
Well isn’t that special.
“…you’re not how much money you’ve got in the bank. You’re not
your job. You’re not your family, and you’re not who you tell yourself….
You’re not your name….
You’re not your problems….
You’re not your age….
You are not your hopes.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 18
This is not your beautiful house…this is not…blah.
“I see the strongest and the smartest men who have ever
lived…and these men are pumping gas and waiting tables.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 19
No, these men are refusing to talk to you.
“We don’t have a great war in our generation, or a great
depression, but we do, we have a great war of the spirit. We have
a great revolution against the culture. The great depression is
our lives. We have a spiritual depression.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 19
OMG this approaches mild coherence and provokes a little bit of thought…and it only took 19 chapters.
“We have to show these men and women freedom by enslaving them,
and show them courage by frightening them.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 19
“I am the all-singing, all-dancing cr@p of this world…. I am
the toxic waste by-product of God’s creation.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 23
“…when deep-space exploitation ramps up, it will probably be the
megatonic corporations that discover all the new planets and map them.
The IBM Stellar Sphere.
The Philip Morris Galaxy.
Every planet will take on the corporate identity of whoever rapes it first…” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 23
I think Roger Dean should have drawn a cool scene around this paragraph.
“I’ve met God across his long walnut desk with his diplomas hanging
on the wall behind him, and God asks me, “Why?” Why did I cause
so much pain? Didn’t I realize that each of us is a sacred, unique snowflake of special unique specialness? Can’t I see how we’re all manifestations of love? I look at God behind his desk, taking notes
on a pad, but God’s got this all wrong. We are not special. We are
not cr@p or trash, either. We just are. We just are, and what
happens just happens. And God says, “No, that’s not right.” Yeah.
Well. Whatever. You can’t teach God anything.” – Chuck Palahniuk, ‘Fight Club’, Chapter 30
Egomaniacal trash. Thank God for Ed Norton lowering his standards
enough to bring the book to averageness as a movie.
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The worst dialogue ever in an episode of a legitimate TV series after also featuring some great dialogue shortly beforehand
Why ‘Star Trek’ wasn’t picked up for a 4th Season
Why Leonard Nimoy fought with Gene Roddenberry over his character …
First, here’s the great dialogue:
(Spock) “Computers, Captain…they fight their war with computers, totally.”
(Anon VII) “Yes, of course.”
(Kirk) “Computers don’t kill a half a million people…”
(Anon VII) “Deaths have been registered, of course, they have twenty-four hours to report.”
(Kirk) “To report…?”
(Anon VII) “To our disintegration machines. You must understand, Captain…we have been at war for five hundred years. Under ordinary conditions, no civilization could withstand that. But we have reached a solution.”
(Spock) “Then the attack by Vendicar was theoretical?”
(Anon VII) “Oh no, quite real. An attack is mathematically launched…I lost my wife in the last attack. Our civilization lives…the people die…but our culture goes on.”
(Kirk) “Do you mean to tell me…your people just walk into a disintegration machine when they’re told to?”
(Anon VII) “We have a high consciousness of duty, Captain.”
(Spock) “There is a certain scientific logic about it.”
(Anon VII) “I’m glad you approve.”
(Spock) “I do NOT approve…I understand.”
And now, winner of the MST3K “How did they say that with a straight face???” award …
(Spock) “Yeoman Tamara…you stay here and prevent this young lady from immolating herself. Knock her down and sit on her if necessary. This is a killing situation.”
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‘The Origin of The Feces’ – Type O Negative
Question his musical talent if you will, but you can’t deny Peter Steele was pretty d@mn funny.
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‘You Bought It, You Name It’ – Joe Walsh
The DIY approach…awfully nice of him.
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‘The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste’ – Ministry
Vehemently denied by zombie groups around the world.
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“And the crowd was subdued in a lackluster first half and behaved most of the time as if the Jets were just another opponent.” – AP Sports Reporter Howard Ulman
It’s really very hard to hate a team when you’re too busy feeling pity for them.
Yankees fans regarding pre-2004 Red Sox teams…you know what I’m saying.
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Sporting Events: New York Vs. Boston, A Realistic Analysis
Championships in what most Americans consider the four “major” sports…Football (NFL), Baseball (MLB), Basketball (NBA), and Hockey (NHL).
New York Giants/New York Jets: 4
New England Patriots: 3
Since New York has two teams and Boston only one, this would
indicate a virtual tie. Although New York does win the “If you
predict a Super Bowl EVERY year eventually it’s bound to happen”
Rx Ryan positivism approach.
New York Yankees/New York Giants/New York Mets/Brooklyn Dodgers: 35
Boston Americans/Boston Braves/Boston Red Sox: 8
Utter domination by New York.
Rochester Royals/New York Knicks: 3
Boston Celtics: 17
Utter domination by Boston. In fact, the ratio against New York here is even more than the ratio for them in baseball.
New York Rangers/New York Islanders: 8
Boston Bruins: 6
Since New York has two teams and Boston only one, this would
indicate a virtual tie…actually, it would indicate Boston as
doing slightly better, but hey, who’s counting?
So basically, what we have is a draw. So all stupid, ignorant,
obnoxious (as opposed to real) New York sports fans should really
get their story straight…is it who’s better NOW, or in the past?
When the Yankees win, it’s who’s better now. When they lose, it’s
who WAS better. When the Knicks lose, it’s…ummm…wait til next
year. When the Jets lose, it’s…ummm…well…wait til next year.
In fact, statistically, Boston has won more championships per
team on the average than New York.
New York Total: 10 Teams, 50 Championships. That’s 5 per team.
Boston Total: 6 Teams, 34 Championships. That’s 5.66 per team.
Oh wait! Anticipating the “New England isn’t just Boston!” comments…
That means Boston has 5 teams, 31 Championships. That’s over 6 per team.
UPDATE: You can include Buffalo teams, too…if you want to see even more of an edge for Boston. I mean, it’s just sad that some people base their own lives and self-confidence on a false belief of sports “Supremacy”.
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10/16/16: Edited for consistency. (housekeeping)
Goths. Yes, goths. What are they? Well, even THEY don’t really know. Most of them, at least.
– This isn’t entirely accurate. It was meant more of as a slam against the pretentious, angsty, “rebel-without-a-clue”, and/or truly nasty people that revel in the lifestyle without caring that it’s all just bullsh1t to them because they’re using it for fun and they don’t actually believe in sh1t.
7/9/12: It is in fact accurate. However, it is not precise. My point was to say F you to that portion of the “goth” community that is described below. I’m not saying it NOW…now, I just ignore them. I wouldn’t walk up to a cockroach and insult it, by the same logic. There’s really no point, and it would be a waste of (even a single) moment.
First, a historical and unbiased cultural appraisal. Second, my experience with those that choose to label themselves “goth”.
– If you want this, look up “Gothic Subculture” on Wikipedia. It’s irrelevant for my purposes here.
7/9/12: Or, if you want to, talk to some of them. A person’s true nature usually comes out after brief initial pretenses that some have. This is an option to consider, not a suggestion.
So, if all this is taken as true, a real “goth” is someone that
recognizes that we all have a dark side, isn’t afraid of that side, and
is disturbed by those that pretend they are somehow “better”
because they follow different ideals, dress differently, etc.
– You don’t need to dress in black and listen to mopey music to despise hypocrisy. Come to think of it, EVERY subculture hates hypocrisy (supposedly, as is the case here). We all know (except for the fanatical Puritans amongst us, of which there are FAR fewer than you would be led to believe) that everyone has a dark side, we all know some people who embrace it, some who deny it, some who just control it, some who are somewhere in the middle…it’s got nothing to do with gothique, sorry. Gothique is a fashion statement, a trend, like 80’s new-wave hair and acid-wash jeans, nothing more.
7/9/12: Perhaps I went a little too far near the end. But I believe my point is made fairly well.
This is, of course, propaganda.
– Why did I even need to say this??? That’s like saying “1 plus 1 is, of course, 2.”
7/9/12: Repetition. The key to analysis. Repetition.
In my experience with self-proclaimed “goths”, I have found that at
least 90 percent of them are either stupid, ignorant, malicious, greedy,
selfish, manipulative, users, abusers, addicts, “victims”(that is,
those that revel in being hurt, the “victim mentality”), fakes, or a
combination of two or more of these elements.
– MONTHS later…ditto.
7/9/12: I didn’t actually make a mathematical study out of it, but this is also accurate, if not precise.
Most “low-ranking” goths I have encountered like to dress in black
because it hides their bellies and emphasizes their bosom. I mean, if
you weigh 250 pounds, a corset is BOUND to produce some cleavage.
– Ok, this is just mean. And I’m not insulting overweight people. I’m insulting the 90+ percent of the female “goths” that are overweight, because they’re all the nasty things listed above…not BECAUSE they’re overweight. They simply can’t stand being ugly on the outside because there’s very little on the inside.
7/9/12: See above, and if you have a feeling of Deja Vu when reading the last sentence look up “Jim Jarmusch” on Wikipedia for the explanation.
The “high-ranking” ones are those that have discovered the joys of
reality, be it via a real relationship, a family, etc…and they are a
bit amused by their past, seeing it as more of a post-adolescent angst
period than any real stage of development.
7/9/12: Or, they’ve incorporated the non-abusive/manipulative aspects into their lives. Just as good.
The true goth, of which there are some, adheres closely to the
definition given above…that is, they admire darkness as well as light,
for are we all not dark in some way?
– Uh huh.
7/9/12: 20,000 Leagues Deep.
I believe I can summarize the “goth” population as follows-
10 percent like George A. Romero’s ‘Night of the Living Dead’
because it is a bitter, biting social commentary on man’s tendency
to fight amongst ourselves and within ourselves.
90 percent like George A. Romero’s ‘Night of the Living Dead’ because zombies eat human flesh and it looks really cool.
7/9/12: Not really all that funny, but I wanted to type “HAHA”. And ‘Land’ is better.
In the interests of not-being-a-rat-unless-someone-betrays-me, I won’t state any names, but…
The predictable response to this will be “Well, you’re just jealous”.
In a way, I am.
I find “goth” women, by and large (no pun intended) to be absolutely beautiful. Physically.
However, when I’ve actually ventured into their minds, I’ve found
twisted car wrecks that inevitably out-wreck even my own…quite a
feat, since I’ve been institutionalized.
So yes, I’m jealous that so many beautiful female bodies are inhabited by so many UGLY “spirits”. Quite sad, really.
– Oh well. There ARE exceptions…but then again, not ALL human beings are born with a spleen. Exceptions, you see.
7/9/12: More than that…but not all THAT much more.
The next response will be “Well, they don’t want you anyways”.
This is not true.
I spoke to several “high-ranking” goth women, who assured me they
viewed their “followers” as nothing more than amusing toys, and that
if I wanted to, I could rank quite highly among them.
I’m sure this would lead to lots of sex, drugs, and rock n’ roll…and, probably, happiness.
But only at the expense of morality and by using and abusing the weak, scared, hurt, and confused.
I don’t do that.
– Let me correct something…if someone is scared /weak/hurt/confused and is ALSO a scumbag…well…that’s a different story. You can’t do fcked up sh1t and then go crying home to mommy…grow the hell up, ok?
7/9/12: This is concerning those that abuse/manipulate those that are “easy” to, but turn into utter cowards when confronted with a challenge. “I don’t run away from bullies”.
I mean, I dated a “goth” that was a pure psychopath (unbeknownst to
me at the beginning) and justified this by saying “Well, I’ve been
horribly hurt, so I get to do it to others…”
This is tripe. Michael Tripe. HA!
I’ve been more hurt emotionally than the vast majority of these posers, but if I do something wrong, I take responsibility.
It’s called “growing up”.
– Not exactly accurate…and Michael Stipe isn’t as bad as I thought. Musically.
7/9/12: Comparing pain isn’t really proper. And I don’t know the man.
Many “goths” also tend to be Anarchists, Satanists, or LaVeyan Satanists.
– Not exactly accurate, and I forgot Atheists…but that’s neither here nor there.
7/9/12: Replace “Atheists” with “Crusading Disbelievers”.
Anarchists in the pure sense believe in complete and total individual freedom.
In practice, they believe in pretending to believe this to get what they want.
Much like Stalin used the idea of Communal Living “Communism” proposed by Karl Marx to enforce his Totalitarian will.
So most anarchists are exactly the opposite of what they claim.
– Again, there are exceptions…but real PURE “Anarchists” are about as common as “Pure” Psychopaths…that is, less than one percent.
7/9/12: I would say this is fairly accurate.
Satanists believe that everyone is their “Own God”.
That we don’t know what exists after death, so we must be true to ourselves and do what is right, here and now.
In practice, most Satanists believe that they are stronger than others
either physically or mentally, and so if religion is done away with
(e.g. ‘1984’ or ‘Brave New World’ or ‘Animal Farm’) then others, with nothing to hope for, will bow down before them and serve their goals,
which inevitably tend towards greed, manipulation, meaningless sex,
abuse, domination, cruelty, etc…
– This is not correct…it is in fact LaVeyan Satanists (see below) that believe this. Real Satanists actually worship Lucifer, for reasons I understand but think are stoopid. It’s not beyond me…I just think it’s stoopid.
7/9/12: “I’m glad you approve.” * “I do NOT “approve”…I understand.”
LaVeyan Satanists are those that are either REALLY stupid and
believe that you should BUY a MEMBERSHIP CARD to a religion
that advocates INDIVIDUALITY (Insert laugh track here)…
They are the ones collecting the money, thereby making them frauds, manipulators, and abusers of “weaker” minds.
– First comment dead-on funny…second one a bit over-reactionary, since it was meant as a joke and if someone WANTS to buy a joke, hey, there’s one born every minute…just ask LaVey. And one positive point about LaVeyans: They believe that while you shouldn’t love everyone, you should be loyal and protective to/of those you CHOOSE to love, those that you deem worthy. I agree.
7/9/12: The True believers, that is. True believers are very difficult to find.
Basically most powerful “goths” prey upon people that have been
hurt or abused, telling them that they really care about them, and
inviting them to join a group…ANY group, because any group is better than nothing.
7/9/12: Repetition. The key.
Sort of like Ed Norton’s character in American History X.
– Bit of a stretch there…more like Cam.
7/9/12: Or, if they’re not very clever, the big fat guy.
Luckily, he woke up.
Oh…how many Hispanic, Black, Asian…ummm…Non-Caucasian “goths” are there? Not many…
What does that say? Oh, I dunno…
“Be tolerant of us!!!! You aren’t tolerant of us!!!!”
“Can I join???”
“No way man you’re black!”
– Uh huh.
7/9/12: There are a token few allowed “in” for plausible deniability purposes.
I mean, “goths” despising Society for the “Evils” perpetrated on them…
Well, should black people despise society for having been enslaved 150 years ago?
Should Jews hate society for Millenia of persecution?
I mean, grow the heck up, ok?
Get over it.
Yeah, you’ve suffered. A single tear rolls down my cheek. GET OVER IT!
7/9/12: The key.
Anne Gwish is a goth woman that has her own strip in the later part of the series. Her name is a pun on the word “anguish.” Her storyline is completely unrelated to Johnny’s, though she lives in the same fictional universe. The strips featuring her are largely a satire on goth culture’s tendencies towards pretension.
In most of her strips, you can find puns and parodies on gothic subculture. Like “Johnny the Hamicidal Maniac” (with Johnny as a
pig), “Ditchspade Symphony” (a parody of the band, Switchblade Symphony), “The Shmoe” (a rather obvious parody of The Crow, who proclaims “I stole this look from KISS”) and “The Dirtman” (a Sandman joke).
Vasquez ends the Anne Gwish strip with an aside comment,
“With just a touch of self-mockery,” due to his personal goth
lifestyle as well as the cultural category his comic books are
In the back of the JTHM: Director’s Cut, (naming her
AKA “bitch”) it was revealed that Jhonen Vasquez liked the idea of
Anne Gwish being the “most physically attractive” of his characters,
as it “only frames more distinctly how HORRIBLE a person she is inside.”
(That’s Jhonen Vasquez, “hero” of the “goth” community, saying what he really thinks of most “goths”)
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If you’re reading this because you agree with the title, are bored, wanted a potential chuckle, etc…Great.
If you’re reading this because you disagree with the title, I would suggest the following…
Any argument I can make can probably be out-argued by you, because you’re so much smarter than I am in that “useless beyond-genius no-real-value Rain Man” sort of a way.
So just think about the following two quotes, and continue to worship Stephen Hawking as your Deity.
“You don’t understand, and you never will.” – Diane Chambers (A fairly logical character)
“Computers make excellent and efficient servants, but I have no wish to serve under them.” – Spock (Also, fairly logical)
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It has been argued that humans are inherently poly-amorous, that all people truly want to have sex with as many people that they find attractive as possible…that “relationships” are only entered into by those that cannot succeed in routinely obtaining sex from more than one attractive person, that wish to allow themselves to not have to “keep up their appearance”, because of societal pressures, because it’s the “easy” thing to do, and so on.
This argument is just as blatantly flawed and self-serving (as it is made, of course, by those that are NOT in committed “relationships”) as the argument that it’s “wrong” to be with more than one person even if noone is hurt, that you shouldn’t have sex outside of marriage, that homosexuality is wrong, that one must wait 7 dates before having sex…and so on. These arguments, of course, are made by those that adhere (or at least pretend to adhere) to the “wrong”-ness of choice.
Every Human Being is different. To suggest that it is IMPOSSIBLE to truly WANT to be with only one person, for the sole reason of that is truly what YOU want, is absurd. Simply because one cannot “understand” that desire, because one does not feel it themself, does NOT by definition mean that it cannot exist and that anyone that says that’s what they want is just “pretending” or “kidding themselves”.
The most ridiculous part of the argument AGAINST voluntary fidelity is that the people making it are completely disdainful of the other-side-of-the-coin argument (that you MUST be in a heterosexual, monogamous, married, etc etc etc relationship).
The reason I (And many people) don’t have random sex with any other attractive adult possible is NOT, as some might suggest, because I’m “repressed” or “afraid”.
I’m not afraid of “Sinning”, I’m not worried about my ability to obtain sex, I don’t feel that it’s “wrong”, I don’t care about public perception…and so on.
The reason I don’t have sex with every attractive adult I COULD have sex with is because, quite frankly, I don’t want to.
From a logical perspective, I think everyone except those bent on sexual “conquest” to prove their virility would agree that the POINT of sex, apart from procreation, is PLEASURE.
Therefore, the aspect to be considered is…what do I derive the most pleasure from?
Having had meaningless sex in the past, I’ve found that the empty, awkward, rather dull feeling that comes (no pun intended) immediately after the act is completed is FAR worse than the act itself is more pleasurable than just THINKING about it. It just doesn’t make sense to spend SO much time trying to obtain something that, once obtained, becomes meaningless and leads you to think “Ok, who’s next?” if the feeling arising from the “success” of the attempt is, in fact, BAD.
Not to suggest that meaningless sex doesn’t feel GOOD…sure it does. But the period and amount of pleasure achieved, for me, is just simply not worth the post-meaningless-act depression over the sheer meaningless-ness of it, the resources (Time, money for *insert foreplay meetingplace here*, etc) wasted, and so forth.
Sex with someone that I actually CARE about, at least somewhat, lacks these negative results and is therefore something to be strived for as a vastly superior option.
From a purely logical standpoint, for me, meaningless sex is just plain stupid.
It also displays an appalling lack of self-control, which, if you’re doing something you know will just make you feel worse afterwards, is akin to doing hardcore drugs (I assume, never had the urge to try) only this is a VOLUNTARY addiction, and hence lacks ANY sort of reasonable justification outside of the inability to control one’s most base animal instincts.
I mean, if a wolf can be platonic, can’t a “superior” human? It’s not a sign of weakness or herd mentality, it’s a sign of Self-Control, Logic, and Love.
Of course, if you actually feel GOOD after having sex with someone you care nothing about, and you both want to…go for it! I won’t make the same pretentious, inane assumption that critics of Fidelity make by criticizing other people’s emotional choices, as if I have any idea what it’s like to be inside their head.
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*RTH* “Like it??? I Fcken LOVE it!”
Ha! Silly Puppy! 🙂
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In the manner of LTI, here are some handy phrases to know if you ever end up at BSH…
ITU (“Intensive Treatment Unit”) = Solitary
CO = Someone that can sneer/laugh at/mock/”subdue” (WHEN APPROPRIATE!) patients
Patient = Prisoner
Established Bedtimes = When you go to your cell unless there’s a sporting event that calls for much earlier bed
CO Training Walk-Through = Lock up the patients and pretend it’s always this way
Good CO (Of which there are many) = Someone who has their job for a reason other than listed above (See “CO”)
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Contrary to Occultist (and undeserved Cult Figure) Aleister Crowley, whose drug-induced “revelations” have about as much credibility as “Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds” (Yes, I know about the drawing), Anton LaVey actually tried to put forth an intelligent intellectual argument in his conglomeration of mostly other people’s ideas known as ‘The Satanic Bible’. John Doe, from the film ‘Seven’, would likely take issue with LaVey’s stance that the “Seven Deadly Sins” in fact reflect man’s inherently carnal nature and should be embraced, not avoided. Granted, John Doe was an incredibly sick and disgusting character, but what makes ‘Seven’ so scary is that he is perfectly lucid in his explanations, which are rather more articulate than LaVey’s…e.g…
9/6/12: I’m big enough to admit when I’m wrong…I didn’t really understand Crowley when I wrote this. Although I put no faith in his spiritual/theological arguments, nor do I “oppose” them…they are, at least, genuine. Unlike LaVey. And Crowley, while in my opinion quite flawed and, at times, completely incorrect in his non-spiritual musings, was from what I now understand an extremely intelligent man whose one-line philosophy doesn’t mean what many people think it means. As a wise(r) man once said, “Those things that are easily understood are rather shallow.” Unlike LaVey, Crowley was NOT shallow. Now, onward…
LaVey: Believed it should be embraced in whatever (consensual, legal) way you wanted, including extramarital affairs and relationship infidelity.
Doe: Although he objects based on the morality of the marriage contract with God, he also seems to think it’s wrong to have sex with someone after you’ve promised someone you supposedly Love that you will always be faithful to them.
LaVey: Believed that one should be Proud of their accomplishments and abilities, and that Immortality is achieved by performing great deeds on Earth, and being thus remembered.
Doe: Believed that, as was taught in Medieval Times, Pride is a “Sin” even if you don’t believe in the concept of Sin because becoming too full of oneself often leads you to underestimate others and overestimate yourself, and has caused more amazingly stupid defeats than can be counted on all digits (INCLUDING toes).
LaVey: Believed that it was proper and just to exercise one’s Wrath upon one’s enemies, assuming (supposedly) it was within the constraints of the Law. A bit of a contradiction, since violence is rarely lawful. Then again, the law hasn’t exactly always been in keeping with truth and justice (See “Slavery”).
Doe: Believed that exercising one’s Wrath upon another was a weakness, something only God had the right to do, and would inevitably lead to your own destruction in one form or another.
Winner: Call it a draw…Revenge rarely leads to happiness or closure, but the law itself is a form of revenge against those who do wrong.
LaVey: Believed Envy was a driving force in man trying to achieve one’s goals and obtain things desired.
Doe: Believed that everyone should be content and happy with their place in life, and not want for anything they were not provided with.
Winner: LaVey. From a purely logical standpoint, he makes sense…in moderation.
LaVey: I’m not quite sure how Anton justifies endorsing doing absolutely nothing as part of the basic nature of man. Sad, really, if he believes it is.
Doe: Believed that Sloth (Apathy, laziness) was wrong as a form of omissive destructiveness.
Winner: Doe…I mean, come on.
LaVey: Again, as with Envy, believed Greed motivated people to better themselves. Or, to quote Gordon Gecko – “Greed is Good”. Sounds a bit too Capitalistic.
Doe: Believed that Greed motivated people to do things they knew were wrong simply for monetary gain or other relatively meaningless factors.
Winner: Doe. I’m not a BP fan.
LaVey: Believed that one should indulge one’s appetites as one wished, that it was every person’s right to consume anything they wished (within legal means)
Doe: Believed that it was wrong for people to eat WAY too much food when millions of people are starving to death.
Winner: Doe, although this only applies if the excess food is in fact given TO the people that actually need it. It does no good sitting on store shelves.
After Se7en rounds, the bout goes to Doe, 5 rounds to 1, with one draw. Still a twisted little thing, though.
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– Anton LaVey thanks Ragnar Redbeard, whose “Might Makes Right” philosophy would be applauded by Adolf Hitler, among others. And, of course, no women (until the secondary “thanks”)…because to Anton (although he would never actually come out and say this) women are here on Earth to please men. I also like the acknowledgement of P.T. Barnum (“There’s a fool born every minute”) as an influence on LaVey…it shows from the start what a fraud he is.
7/23/11: Apparently he thanks him a lot, according to those that contend much of his book is plagiarized from ‘Might Is Right’. This philosophy is, of course, abject nonsense, the sort of mindless drivel spouted by the physically and/or mentally strong when they’re at the height of their powers and conveniently forgotten whenever they actually need help from anyone else.
9/7/12: I suppose there are those who espouse this when physically and/or mentally strong, AND who continue to espouse it even when they become physically and/or mentally weak…but I’m pretty sure the ratio of those “true” believers to fraudulent, bullying scumbags is about 1:1000.
10/21/15: For some reason I was thinking about bugs and this naturally came to mind. Bees, ants, and other insects that have a sense of “community”, at least in SOME way, are NOT LaVeyan. Spiders, cockroaches, ticks, mosquitoes…these are the best LaVeyans on the planet: existing to exist, thinking only and always of themselves (each one), producing nothing. Well, spiders are at least good organic vacuum cleaners.
– The introduction, in which Anton is described as dedicating things to “The Devil”, although he by his own definition defines “The Devil” as a Christian concept…and, being a Christian concept, he must see it as ignorant and foolish. So, he’s dedicating his ceremonies to ignorance and stupidity. Brilliant.
7/23/11: This isn’t completely fair, as he is using “The Devil” as a metaphor in an attempt at parody/mockery/shock value/etc…I don’t think he’s doing it very WELL, but he is doing it.
10/21/15: It’s comedy that’s not funny. Simple as that, really.
– “man’s carnal nature will out no matter how much it is purged or scourged by any white light religion.” – Anton LaVey
Really, Anton? Then how do you explain Mother Theresa, amongst others? You didn’t say “Usually”…you said WILL…meaning always. STRIKE.
7/23/11: My response sounds a bit petulant in retrospect, so I’ll expand it…there’s a huge difference between “carnal” and “brutal and selfish”. To use the example of sexual repression, as opposed to the (non-destructive) display of lust in a consenting manner, as THE nature of man and as something “opposed” by white-light religions is simply deceptive. White-light religions do not by definition attempt to “purge”, “scourge”, or really even repress sexuality. Not ALL of them, at least…the generalities are unfounded and the basis for his reaction is therefore false.
9/7/12: “The sensuous Pagan ritual begins…” – Tom Servo. Sorry, I LOVE that one. No offense to Pagans in general meant in any way.
10/21/15: Clarification: No offense to NON-LaVeyan Pagans meant in any way. If you’re LaVeyan, please stop visiting my website.
– “I came to detest the sanctimonious attitude of people toward violence, always saying it’s God’s will.” – Anton LaVey
I never said that. So…you formed a cult. Brilliant.
7/23/11: Here I agree that to explain something horrible by saying it’s *Insert Deity’s Name Here*’s will is insufficient, at least from an intellectual point of view. But I think, again, he’s lumping in EVERY Theist into the same category, which is, again, a false premise.
9/7/12: Let’s be frank: He’s an angsty post-adolescent venting his frustrations.
10/21/15: He’s a showman with nothing to show, a comedian without material.
– “In my case, I found I could conjure up parking places at the last minute in front of theaters, when none should have been there.” – Anton LaVey
So you just blinked the cars out of existence that otherwise
would have been there…did you wiggle your nose or fold your arms
and nod your head quickly?
7/23/11: I still think my response here is amusing and I have nothing to add.
9/7/12: Personally, I always preferred ‘I Dream Of Jeannie’ to ‘Bewitched’…but that’s a whole other (more interesting and worthy of thought) topic.
10/21/15: Of course the reason I preferred ‘I Dream Of Jeannie’ wasn’t really the writing…also, it strikes me that he must have done the nose-wiggle ‘Bewitched’ thing, because the other one would be really hard whilst driving.
– “Satanism is a blatantly selfish, brutal religion.” – The guy that wrote the foreword.
…ummm…aren’t you supposed to PRAISE what you’re forewording?
10/21/15: Personally I think the vast majority of LaVeyans are idiots, lunatics, or (the majority) a$$holes who want to pretend that they have a “philosophy” behind why they’re such an a$$hole when the reason is…they’re an a$$hole.
– “This is the book of our era.” – second foreword guy.
HAHAHAHAAHAHA!!! Oh…ummm…you’re serious. I wrote better sh1t in Junior High.
7/23/11: Actually according to its Precepts, it isn’t supposed to NECESSARILY be a “blatantly selfish” or “brutal” philosophy (No, it’s not a religion). It’s only used in that way by blatantly selfish and/or brutal people. As for the “book of our era” quote…I think Joel Hodgson said it best – “That’s a reach…that’s a reach.”
– “Crucial to the concept of Satanic ritual is an appreciation of its illustrative and inspirational qualities without necessarily regarding it as inflexible reality.”
Translation – It’s good theater! Well…so is Rocky Horror…
7/23/11: Form over function is perfectly fine for a lifestyle or a hobby, but as a personal guiding philosophy it leaves a lot to be desired.
9/7/12: Do not AVOID the Hounds of Hell…do not AVOID the Beasts of Brimstone…do not AVOID the Pup..pies of…Pur..ga…tory…
10/21/15: I’m sorry, I lost interest, where was I?
– “Satan…Although condemned to the most hideous of domains, a Hell totally shunned by the divinity, he embraced such privations as the burden of his intellectual prerogative.”
Ummm…no. Actually Satan/Lucifer/TheDumbAngel was cast out
of Heaven, according to Christian mythology. So unless Anton found some Holy books that say otherwise, he’s using Christian mythology to denounce Christian mythology…which doesn’t quite
work. If Satan (If he exists) was offered a chance to go back to Heaven, he’d say “OK!” and leave all his pathetic “followers” behind.
7/23/11: This part is actually the most convincing/factual of all the quotes thus far…Lucifer WAS, in fact, cast out of Heaven for refusing to obey God’s will (If you believe in such things), and he did start off as a bit of a “tragic hero” before being consumed by his own (justified or not) hatred and bitterness. I still stand by the last part though…he’d leave in a second if he could (Again, if you believe in such things).
9/7/12: To wage a war you know you cannot win can be considered noble. It can also be considered insane. A matter of perspective, I suppose. <=== That’s NOT a snide comment.
10/21/15: Ten bucks says Anton used a Thesaurus for this.
– “The Satanic Bible is a most insidious document.”
No…it would have to be clever to be insidious.
9/7/12: If it’s so insidious, why do you have to SAY that it’s insidious? That’s like one of those cr@ppy 50’s horror film posters with the word “TERRIFYING!” on it.
10/21/15: EXPLOSIVE…A MUST-SEE…
– “As candid and conversational as the Satanic Bible might seem at first glance, it is not a volume to be gently dismissed.”
Sure it is!
7/23/11: Ok, ok…perhaps not “gently dismissed”. It’s better written than that. But dismissed nonetheless.
9/7/12: You are the weakest LaVey. Goodbye.
10/21/15: Well, at least you can take a picture of it.
– “You, the reader, are about to be impaled upon the sharp horns of a Satanic dilemma. If you accept the propositions of this book, you condemn your most cherished sanctuaries to annihilation. In return you will awaken – but only to the most fiery of Hells. Should you reject the argument, you resign yourself to a cancerous disintegration of your previously subconscious sense of identity. Small wonder that the Archfiend’s legacy has won him so many bitter enemies! Whatever your decision, it can be avoided no longer”
WOW! This sounds like it’d make a decent “Choose-Your-Own-Adventure” book…maybe Steve Jackson can re-write it and make it more interesting.
7/23/11: Hmmm…I certainly was a bit bitter, no? Although I was a funny guy…
9/7/12: I was just funny, you know.
12/19/12: You know…just, the way I talk…you know, like a clown…
10/21/15: Get the fck outta here…
10/21/15: Edited for appearance.
It’s so unbelievably mediocre that it fails to generate that “Wow, that’d make a great MST3K episode!” response.
Or, to describe the feelings of my eyes as they lolled around in disbelief while watching, I believe Lucifer said it best when he was cast out of Heaven…
“I’ve Fallen…and I can’t get up!!!”
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Ok…if you were from the Scandinavian Peninsula, and you also happened to be a character in the game “Mortal Kombat”…and you were fighting someone else in the game, and you had them almost beaten, and they were helpless and you could execute a really cool finishing move on them…what would it say?
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“Oh…by the way…you’re under arrest.” *Chuckle* – William H. Bonney
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You fake NOT having orgasms.
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I believe John Cleese’s character Dennis Moore (The Lupin Bandit) said it best, regarding the idea of the practicality of Communism – “Blimey…this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought.”
To all Poser-Goths (As opposed to real ones) wondering why your bf/gf dumped you, I would suggest listening to the Type O Negative song “Black No. 1” and focusing on the second chorus.
The great thing about having a Poser-Goth bf/gf is that, if you’re having sex, and you say “Did you…?” and you MEAN it…and they say “No”…and you say “Oh, I’m sorry!” and you MEAN it, and they shrug and say “I don’t care”…you know THEY mean it too!
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